For many families, the Ivy League enters the realm of possibility as soon as a student starts to show academic promise. We wholeheartedly believe that this sort of ambition should be nurtured, and for students with strong academic records, stellar applications, and well-rounded motivations and interests, admission to the Ivy League is within reach.
However, the Ivy League has become shorthand for “the best universities in the world”—particularly for families who have immigrated to the US, or who don’t have a comprehensive understanding of the undergraduate admissions process and post-graduation prospects.
In truth, Ivy League schools are among the best in the world in terms of education and faculty, as well as for networking and career opportunities.
But the idea that strong students should always and invariably aim for the Ivy League is a strategic misstep.
It’s important to evaluate—alongside whether a student is competitive at the Ivy League—whether the Ivy League is the right fit. Not only in the soft sense of whether they will enjoy the rigor of the classroom, the culture and traditions of an older university, and the competitive nature of its cohorts, but in the hard sense of whether the student will thrive on campus and will get a good return on investment from their time in college.
At Menlo Coaching, we believe that, with the right strategic direction, strong students are capable of even more than they think. However, we don’t chase results for results’ sake. In this article, we’ll dive into:
Most families already know what it takes to get into the Ivy League, even if they haven’t explicitly seen the list yet. But for absolute clarity, here are the exact, official requirements for admission to the Ivy League, broken down by university.
| School | Early deadline | Regular deadline | Fee | Coalition (Scoir)? |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Brown | ED Nov 1 | Jan 5 | $80 | No |
| Columbia | ED Nov 1 | Jan 1 | $85 | Yes |
| Cornell | ED Nov 1 | Jan 2 | $85 | No |
| Dartmouth | ED Nov 1 | Jan 1 | $85 | No |
| Harvard | REA Nov 1 | Jan 1 | $90 | No |
| Penn | ED Nov 1 | Jan 5 | $75 | Yes |
| Princeton | SCEA Nov 1 | Jan 1 | $75 | No |
| Yale | SCEA Nov 1 | Jan 2 | $80 | Yes |
| School | Standardized testing (current) |
|---|---|
| Brown | Required — SAT/ACT (since 2024–25) |
| Columbia | Test-optional now, returning to required for fall-2028 entry |
| Cornell | Required — SAT/ACT (Fall 2026 on) |
| Dartmouth | Required — SAT/ACT (US); intl. may use 3 APs, IB, or A-levels |
| Harvard | Required — SAT/ACT; AP/IB/A-levels only in exceptional cases |
| Penn | Required — SAT/ACT (hardship waiver available) |
| Princeton | Test-optional now, returning to required for fall-2028 entry |
| Yale | Required — SAT/ACT (AP/IB only alongside, not instead) |
| School | Teacher recs | English proficiency (non-native) |
|---|---|---|
| Brown | 2 (major academic subjects) | Recommended; TOEFL/IELTS/Duolingo etc. |
| Columbia | 2 (Engineering: 1 math/science) | TOEFL 105/IELTS 7.5/Duolingo 135; exemptions apply |
| Cornell | 2, varies by college (≥1 math/science for some) | TOEFL/IELTS/Duolingo; exemptions apply |
| Dartmouth | 2 (+ optional peer rec) | Required if <2 yrs English-medium |
| Harvard | 2 (different subjects) | Not specified |
| Penn | 1 required core (+1 optional) | Required unless native/3 yrs English instruction |
| Princeton | 2 (different core areas) | Required; waived with 3+ yrs English instruction |
| Yale | 2 (core subjects) | Required if <2 yrs English-medium |
The following is a more honest and comprehensive list of the true requirements of Ivy League universities:
A strong academic record is a fairly transparent requirement of Ivy League colleges. Students can demonstrate their academic strength through their GPA, SAT / ACT scores, and academic awards.
Students admitted to Ivy League colleges often achieve a near straight-A record, take AP classes, and establish themselves on the honor roll. Further, they consistently take classes that challenge themselves: a 4.0 GPA in an easy schedule is weaker to an admissions committee than a 3.8 GPA with a more demanding load.
Admitted students typically achieve SAT scores of 1500-1570 and ACT scores in the 34-35 band. This is not a formal cut-off, and students are admitted every year with lower scores. However, this requirement is closer to the floor than the ceiling of what is expected of students, and students with weaker academic backgrounds should look for strategic opportunities to mitigate this risk in their application materials.
Extracurricular involvement is a less transparent requirement than academics, as there is no set list of activities a student must complete. What admissions committees look for is demonstrated commitment, initiative, and impact beyond the classroom.
Students admitted to Ivy League colleges typically show depth rather than breadth in their extracurriculars. A student who has pursued one or two interests, relevant to their motivation and long-term goals, with real seriousness presents more compellingly than one who has collected ten memberships without distinction: much as with course rigor, a single deep commitment is stronger to an admissions committee than a long, shallow list. Leadership reinforces this, though it is judged by genuine responsibility and initiative rather than by titles alone.
The strongest profiles often carry some form of external recognition—a regional or national award, a project launched, an organization founded—that signals the commitment reaches beyond the student’s own school. This is not a formal requirement, and students are admitted every year whose contributions are quieter, or shaped by family and work obligations that committees weigh in context. As with test scores, however, the achievements of admitted students sit closer to the floor than the ceiling, and students without a clear area of distinction should begin cultivating one early, and look for strategic ways to deepen the commitments they already have.
The essay is one of the most important parts of the application, and one of the few places where a student speaks in their own voice. Grades and activities show what a student has done, but the essay is where they explain the “why” behind it: why these classes, why this commitment, why the work they hope one day to do. Written well, it gives an application emotional and narrative depth that a list of achievements cannot, and it shows an admissions committee a student who is serious about their education and understands both themselves and the people around them.
Like the rest of the application, the essay is part of a broader strategy rather than a piece that stands on its own. It carries real weight, but it rarely decides an outcome by itself, and we would guess that every year students are admitted in spite of writing a poor one. Its value lies in drawing the other parts together and giving the reader a reason to care. We write about crafting standout college application essays across our website.
Most colleges ask for letters from two teachers, usually one in a math or science subject and one in the humanities. Their purpose is to give the committee a credible voice other than the student’s own: someone who has watched the student think and work over many months, and can describe what they are actually like in a classroom.
The strongest letters are specific and detailed. A committee learns far more from a teacher who can describe how a student approached a hard problem, shifted the tone of a discussion, or followed an idea past the end of the syllabus than from one who only calls them hardworking and bright. MIT advises that the best evaluations are “specific and storied,” written by a teacher who knows the student well as both a student and a person.
In other elements of the application, where a small number of students who don’t meet the threshold for excellence are admitted—for example, if someone wrote a mediocre essay, but had an otherwise outstanding profile, it’s not impossible that they would be admitted to an Ivy League school. Contrastingly, we predict that the number of students who get admitted to the Ivy League with substandard letters of recommendation is extremely low.
Every Ivy League school rates recommendations among the most important factors in its Common Data Set, and because nearly every applicant already has strong grades, a lukewarm or generic letter stands out for the wrong reasons. An enthusiastic and specific letter is a legitimate expectation of Ivy League schools, and students should foster positive relationships with their teachers to ensure that this standard is met.
Students don’t always love hearing this, because it makes them feel like they don’t have control over their admissions outcomes, but it is true that the difference between acceptance and denial at a given institution sometimes comes down to plain luck.
From the committee’s side, this is easy to understand. They read thousands of applications from well-qualified students each year, and an officer may end up choosing among ten candidates with nearly identical records, excellent essays, and glowing recommendations. When the field is that strong, factors no applicant can see or control can decide a single case.
The reassuring part is that a strong, coherent application relies on luck far less than a borderline application does. When an application clearly makes its case, the decision rests much more on the student’s own strengths than on chance. Luck never vanishes entirely, but the better the application, the smaller the part it plays.
Read literally, the official requirements make the bar look almost low. A student sits the SAT or ACT, asks two teachers for letters, pays a fee under a hundred dollars, and demonstrates English proficiency where it applies. In practice, every one of those requirements is far more exacting than it sounds. It is not enough to take the SAT; a competitive applicant has to score near the top of it. Two letters are required, but what actually moves a committee is two specific, storied letters from teachers who know the student well.
What ties the real requirements together is coherence. An Ivy League application is not a checklist of strong parts; it is a single story a student tells about themselves, and the strongest applications are the ones in which every element points to the same thing. The classes a student chose, the activities they committed to, the essay they wrote, and the teachers who vouch for them should all be recognizably about the same person, pursuing the same interests, moving in the same direction.
But even a coherent, competitive application answers only one question: whether a student can get into an Ivy League school. And we find many families fall short at this point. While we agree that students should have high expectations of themselves, that doesn’t necessarily mean that a seat in an Ivy League class is the best thing for that student or their career and post-graduation opportunities.
We understand the draw to the Ivy League completely. They’re hyper-selective, everyone recognizes the university on your resume, and graduating students benefit from some of the best networks and recruiting pipelines to major companies.
However, we regularly meet college applicants who are targeting the Ivy League for the simple reason that they think they stand a chance of getting in. And if one’s profile could be competitive at the Ivy League, then why not attend one?
We encourage ambition in our clients. In fact, we often find that college applicants underestimate their attractiveness to top programs, and we take great pleasure in telling them that even greater things are within reach.
That said, the Ivy League isn’t the only excellent option—nor is it necessarily the right option—for college applicants.
There are several reasons for this:
One of the better-established findings in the economics of higher education comes from two careful studies by the economists Stacy Dale and Alan Krueger, who asked the question: does attending a more selective college actually make a student wealthier later in life?
They compared students who had been admitted to the same set of colleges but then chose to enroll in different ones, i.e. two students both got into an Ivy and a strong state university; one chose the Ivy, the other chose the state school. Because admissions officers had judged them to be similarly capable, the two are closely matched in talent and drive, which lets us isolate the effect of the school itself.
What Dale and Krueger found, first in 1999 and again in a larger 2011 study that followed careers across decades of earnings records, is that the two students went on to earn about the same. The more selective school did not, on its own, produce higher pay.
What predicted a student’s earnings was not the prestige of the college they attended, but the ambition reflected in the colleges they had aimed for in the first place. The caliber of the student, in other words, was the determining factor from the beginning.
For students from lower-income or first-generation families, and for Black and Hispanic students, a more selective college did produce a real and lasting increase in earnings.
The most convincing explanation is access: an elite school opens doors to networks and opportunities that more advantaged students often already have through family and community.
So the finding is that for a well-supported, ambitious student, the name on the diploma matters less than most people imagine, because that student was always the true engine behind their own success.
The more recent of these studies is now about fifteen years old, and the world of work has shifted considerably since then. The past six years alone have brought a pandemic that reshaped entire industries and a wave of AI that is already changing what entry-level work looks like and which skills are prized.
But the sentiment holds: the graduate who does well in a changing economy tends to be the adaptable, curious, and driven one, and those qualities belong to the student rather than to the name on the diploma.
Because a student’s own drive and ambition are the stronger predictor of what comes later, we spend time and effort cultivating that: helping a student find work that genuinely interests them, go deep on it, and pursue it with initiative that outlasts the application itself.
A strong admissions result is the near-term goal. The lasting goal is to help develop a young person who has become capable of thriving wherever they choose to go.
Regardless of the student’s academic ability and competitiveness, when a student tells us they want to build things, or start a company, or make music for a living, we rarely begin the conversation with the Ivy League.
The moment the question turns specific, the list of “best” schools rearranges itself, and the names near the top are often less familiar, particularly for international families who aren’t as ingrained in the American university ecosystem.
A 2025 analysis by College Transitions, tracking nearly thirty thousand entry-level engineers and IT staff across fifteen of the most sought-after tech companies, found that eight of the ten schools sending the most graduates into those roles are public universities.
UC Berkeley sits comfortably at the top, placing more than twice as many graduates as Stanford, and the only Ivy League school to appear in the top ten is Cornell. A student set on Silicon Valley is, on this evidence, often better served by a strong public engineering program than by an Ivy name.
In PitchBook’s 2025 ranking of the universities that produce the most startup founders, UC Berkeley again leads the field, ahead of both Stanford and Harvard, with the University of Texas, the University of Michigan, and two Israeli institutions, Tel Aviv University and the Technion, all in the top ten.
And when the analysts at Kittleman traced the undergraduate origins of Fortune 500 chief executives, the single most common alma mater was not an Ivy but the University of Wisconsin. Across the thirty most CEO-producing schools, public and private universities are split evenly, and the Big Ten conference alone accounts for about one in eight Fortune 500 CEOs.
A musician learns their craft at a conservatory like Berklee, whose alumni have won more than three hundred Grammy Awards, far more than any traditional university. A designer looks to a school like RISD, and a dancer or actor to Juilliard, none of which appear on the lists most families anchor to.
This doesn’t mean that the Ivies are weak, because they are excellent at a great many things. It means that the “best” is a question that only makes sense once you know what a particular student wants to do, and for a surprising number of ambitions, the numbers do not support the Ivy League above other well-respected universities.
When families ask us whether an Ivy League degree truly pays off, our honest answer is that it depends a great deal on what the student intends to study and do post-graduation.
One of the largest forces shaping anyone’s future earnings is not the college at all, but the major. The Georgetown Center on Education and the Workforce found that graduates in the highest-paying majors earn roughly $3.4 million more over a working life than those in the lowest-paying ones, a gap far wider than the one between selective and less-selective colleges.
An engineering or computer science graduate from a solid state university will typically out-earn a classmate who studied early childhood education or studio art, and will often out-earn humanities graduates from far more prestigious schools.
Within a given field, the picture becomes more interesting still. For engineering and the hard sciences, the selectivity of the college makes remarkably little difference to earnings. The economists Eide and Hilmer found no statistically significant earnings gap for science and engineering majors across selective, mid-tier, and less-selective schools.
The reason is intuitive: these degrees certify a specific, testable skill, so an employer hiring an engineer can judge what the graduate is actually able to do, and the name on the diploma doesn’t add a huge amount. A capable engineer is a capable engineer, wherever they trained.
In other fields, a selective school earns its reputation. Where a major is less tied to a particular occupation, as with many of the social sciences and humanities, and in prestige-driven career tracks like investment banking, management consulting, and corporate law, the college’s name carries more of the signal, and its alumni network opens doors that are genuinely harder to open otherwise.
Similarly, in business and the social sciences, graduates of selective schools have been found to earn on the order of 10–18% more than comparable peers from less-selective ones. There, the Ivy premium is real, and worth weighing seriously.
It is not one question but several, and the answer turns on the field.
For a student headed into engineering or software, the evidence suggests a strong non-Ivy program will serve them just as well financially, and sometimes better once the cost is counted. For a student drawn to finance, law, or a less technical field, the signal and the network of a selective school can genuinely shift the trajectory.
This is precisely why we begin not with a ranking but with the student and what they actually hope to do, because that is the fact that decides whether the Ivy premium is worth chasing at all.
A college education is one of the largest investments most families ever make, so it helps to think about it the way you would any investment: not by its price alone, but by what you get back for that price.
Judged that way, the Ivy League does not always come out ahead, and the reason is simple. An Ivy costs roughly the same whatever a student chooses to study, but the earnings that follow a degree depend enormously on what that degree is in.
The clearest way to weigh cost against reward is to set them side by side, school by school. The table below pairs each school’s 2025–26 cost of attendance with the median earnings of its graduates ten years on.
| School | Category | Annual cost, 2025–26 | Median earnings, 10 yrs after entry |
| Princeton | Ivy | $92,500 | $110,100 |
| Cornell | Ivy | $99,700 | $104,000 |
| Columbia | Ivy | $95,900 | $102,500 |
| Harvard | Ivy | $90,400 | $101,800 |
| Dartmouth | Ivy | $95,000 | $97,400 |
| Brown | Ivy | $97,300 | $93,500 |
| Stanford | Other private | $81,700 | $124,100 |
| Duke | Other private | $80,900 | $97,800 |
| Rice | Other private | $73,100 | $89,700 |
| NYU | Other private | $83,200 | $82,500 |
| Georgia Tech | Public (in-state) | ≈$30,000 ($52,000 out-of-state) | $102,800 |
| Purdue | Public, Big Ten (in-state) | $21,400 ($40,200 out-of-state) | $72,400 |
From this table, three things become clear.
Stanford tops the entire list, and Georgia Tech, a public university, out-earns five of the six Ivies shown while charging in-state students roughly a third of what an Ivy costs. Duke and Rice, neither of them Ivies, sit right among the Ivy figures at a lower price.
Whatever the Ivy League name signals, it is plainly not the sole route to a strong financial outcome.
Georgia Tech and Purdue graduate students who earn well, Georgia Tech remarkably so, at in-state costs of roughly twenty to thirty thousand dollars a year, against ninety thousand or more at an Ivy. Measured as a return on the money invested, that is not a close contest.
The third point runs the other way. NYU costs about as much as an Ivy, yet its graduates’ median earnings land below every Ivy on the list and below Georgia Tech, which costs a third as much.
Graduate and professional schools, competitive fellowships, and a number of career pipelines look closely at a student’s record relative to their peers, and strong standing at a good school often opens more than a middling record at a famous one.
Graduate and professional schools, competitive fellowships, and a number of career pipelines look closely at a student’s record relative to their peers, and strong standing at a good school often opens more than a middling record at a famous one.
Medical and law school admissions lean heavily on grade point average; a high GPA from a solid university clears bars that a mediocre GPA from an elite one does not.
Being near the top of a class also changes what a student can reach during their degree. The strongest students in a cohort are the ones pulled into research, trusted with real responsibility, and put forward for competitive scholarships like the Rhodes or the Fulbright, and they are the ones who earn the specific, enthusiastic recommendations that carry real weight.
It is simply easier to be that student when you are genuinely among the best in the room than when you are one capable person among many.
There is a psychological dimension to this that the research bears out. A large Stanford study of nearly two hundred thousand students across thirty-three countries documented what educators call the “big-fish-little-pond effect”: equally talented students report noticeably lower confidence in their own ability when they are surrounded by very high achievers than when they sit near the top of their group.
Put simply, academic self-belief shapes how students perform and whether they stay in demanding fields. A capable student who might flourish in engineering at one school can lose heart in the bottom third of a cohort of specialists at another.
None of this is an argument for choosing the easiest place a student can find. For some students, being surrounded by extraordinary peers is exactly the challenge that draws out their best work, and the most selective schools carry real advantages.
The point is that rank is worth weighing rather than ignoring. A student who will be a standout at a very good school, with the confidence, access, and record that come with it, is sometimes in a stronger position than that same student would be as one of many at a more prestigious school.
Which of those fits a particular student is precisely the kind of question we weigh with the student and their family before applications go out.
It is tempting to treat a student’s happiness at college as a benefit, that is something separate from the serious business of achievement. In practice the two are not separable at all.
A student who is thriving, engaged in their work, supported by the people around them, and comfortable in their surroundings tends to do better work than a more capable student who is miserable somewhere more prestigious. Wellbeing is often the thing that produces success.
The Gallup-Purdue Index, which surveyed tens of thousands of college graduates, found that the type of school a person attended, whether public or private, large or small, selective or not, “hardly matters at all” to their engagement and wellbeing at work years later.
What mattered instead were the experiences a student had while there: above all, having a professor who cared about them as a person and inspired their learning, which more than doubled their odds of thriving afterward, along with a long-term project seen through to the end and deep involvement in something beyond the classroom.
Those experiences are far more likely to happen where a student feels they fit. A mentor who takes real interest, a project a student carries to completion, and the confidence to speak up and take an intellectual risk all come more easily to someone who feels they belong, who can actually reach their professors, and who is well matched to the pace and culture of the place at which they’re studying.
The reverse is also true. Elite environments can carry a genuine wellbeing cost, in the constant pressure, the sense of always running a step behind, and the insidious toll of never being the strongest in the room. A student who is anxious or burned out will struggle to do their best work regardless of the name on the building.
Where a student will flourish is not a sentimental question. On the evidence, it is one of the better predictors of what they will actually achieve, and of how they will feel about their life once college is behind them.
So we start where we always do, with the student, and ask not simply which school is the most impressive, but which university will let this particular person do their best work and grow into who they hope to become.
It is worth remembering that the Ivy League is an athletic conference. The name comes partly from a sportswriter, Stanley Woodward, who wrote about the “ivy colleges” and their football in 1933, and partly from the ivy that graduating classes once planted on their campuses.
The eight schools formalized the arrangement as a sports agreement, first for football and then, in 1954, across all of their athletics. The Ivy League was created to organize games between eight old universities in the northeast. It was never a ranking of the best colleges in the country, and it is not one now.
Some of the finest universities in the world are not in the Ivy League: Stanford, MIT, Caltech, the University of Chicago, Duke, the strongest liberal arts colleges, and public flagships like Berkeley, Michigan, and Georgia Tech, several of which, as we have seen, match or beat the Ivies on the very measures families care about most.
To treat those eight schools as the definition of excellence is to mistake a conference for a ranking, and to leave a great many excellent options off the list before the search has even begun.
None of this means that aiming for the Ivy League is a mistake. When a family arrives with the Ivy League in mind, we take it as a healthy sign, a marker of a student’s ambition and of the abilities that make such ambition realistic, and we encourage both.
What tends to happen over the course of our engagement, however, is that the list evolves as the strategy grows more sophisticated. It becomes more specific to the student, and it sometimes ends up looking less prestigious to an untrained eye even as it becomes a far better fit for where that student actually wants to go. Walking students and their parents through that shift, and the reasoning behind it, is a large part of what we do.
We will not steer a student away from a university they are drawn to unless it genuinely will not set them up for success in the path they have chosen. While we aim to deliver realistic advice, and we even run an internal qualification discussion as part of the engagement, we don’t ever want to talk anyone out of a dream.
We want to build a list of the schools that are actually right for this student, which may well include some combination of Ivy League schools, and to make sure every name on the list has earned its place for a reason.
None of these reasons is an argument against the Ivy League. Each is an argument against choosing it, or any school, by default.
Together they point to a single conclusion: the real question was never whether a student should pursue the Ivy League, but whether a given school is the right one for a given student, taking into account who they are, what they want to study, and where they hope to end up.
For some students that school is an Ivy, and we are glad to help them reach it. For others it is somewhere less expected, and they deserve to learn that before they apply rather than after they graduate.
The encouraging part is that this is knowable in advance. A family does not have to choose between ambition and good judgment, or guess at the answer and hope for the best. With an honest look at a student’s goals, their intended field, the return on the investment, and the environment in which they will genuinely thrive, the right list comes into focus.
If you’d like honest advice and a strategy for getting into the best universities for you or your child, we encourage you to read about our undergraduate admissions consulting service.
James Edge, PhD
Director & Sr. College Admissions Consultant
Education: BA
Based in Charlotte, NC, James has helped students win admission to Yale, Stanford, Harvard, Princeton, Duke, and more. A former Providence Day teacher, he combines deep local knowledge, candid strategy, expert writing coaching, and a talent for helping students translate years of hard work into standout applications.
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